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explore the bazaars our or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

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as well as other dimensions it's time to

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take back the night last night now your

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electrifying hosts of exploring the

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hey beautiful give me a kiss no I mean

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with your other head hang on the phone

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is buzzing hello hello oh hello Tim no

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work where's Tim the show starting and

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we can't find him no intergalactic booty

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call don't be a I'm not trying to be a

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spot blocker Tim but well you know

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romance and aliens that just happens to

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be the subject of tonight's show why

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don't you go bring your alien baby mama

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with you and we'll start uh what do you

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say Annie want to get famous on the

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radio fantastic

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she's teleporting us to the studio of

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Casey Oh our radio right hey Tim how are

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you out there in Jasper Indiana I got me

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a real honey here yeah well I can't wait

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to meet her Tim and I'm doing absolutely

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fantastic it's a a beautiful night and

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I'm ready to go with tonight's program

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well we've got some really far-out

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guests tonight you know we're gonna be

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talking about sex and saucers certainly

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one of my favorite subjects you know now

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I'm a kind of a skeptical person that at

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heart I I remember a Tim of being on a

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panel in our program in Minneapolis I

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think it was many years ago and at the

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panel on the panel was but Hopkins and

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he had bought on two or three elderly

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ladies well ultimately they were

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certainly older than I was and they all

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told their story about having sex with

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the audience who were kind of squirming

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in their seats that

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she had had sex with a reptilian now I'm

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not a prude

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I'm not certainly easily offended I mean

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some people know my background and know

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it can be rather tantalizing at the at

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times I've worked in the Delta industry

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I don't make a secret of that people try

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to expose me and I point him in the

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direction of one of my movies so that

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people have to pay it just see it so I

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should make a buck on it anyway I was I

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was just I was just kind of

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shell-shocked by the fact that this a

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lady would claim to have sex with a

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reptilian because I don't think that

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that's possible I can't have sex with a

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stake although I guess it didn't say it

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didn't somebody do that in the Bible I

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don't know if they actually had sex

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you're talking about the Garden of Eden

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serpent well III don't know I thought

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you some other stories in there too you

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know but I you know what whatever I mean

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say like you know Babylonian mythology

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and places like that or you know like a

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Greek mythology oh yeah there I mean

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there's all kinds of you know different

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creatures and demigods all enjoying a

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little bit of the interspecies

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hanky-panky well interest BCCI I got a

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drill I have to draw the line in the

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sand somewhere and anyway my point is

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that I was so taken aback by this

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woman's what I thought was crazy story

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that I got up and I walked off the panel

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discussion even if I disagreed with all

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of the guests that were on the

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understand show with me but I just

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thought that this was so far-fetched but

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anyway I've learned my lesson and at

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least to some degree although I still

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and sex with reptilians maybe it's just

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not my thing I guess I like a smooth

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shaven space girl not someone with not

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not someone with the scales you know I

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mean it's kind of and I do believe that

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from what I couldn't recall from reading

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Antonia boasts there in the South

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America anyway let's not dilly-dally in

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the extra-terrestrial bordello here and

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Tim why don't you tell us who we're

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going to be chatting with this evening

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in the case yo our radio living room Wow

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more than happy to to him we got two

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excellent guests tonight first of all we

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have david huggins now David's is from

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Hoboken New Jersey and claims to have

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had a lifetime of encounters with

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otherworldly beings including an

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interspecies romance with an

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extraterrestrial woman and he chronicled

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it all in surreal impressionistic

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paintings now Huggins studied at the art

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stud students league in New York City

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but is mostly self-taught now David

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spends most of his artistic talent

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chronicling his bizarre experiences in

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over 100 paintings and there's been a

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documentary film made about David's

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experiences and his artwork called love

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and saucers the far-out world of David

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Huggins and that was directed by Brad

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Abraham's and is available on Amazon

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Google Play iTunes and other media

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platforms now with us tonight is our I

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think one of our favorite people to have

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on when it comes to these kinds of

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stories and that's Adam go rightly now

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for over two decades

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Adam Glory's articles have appeared in

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nearly every zine underground magazine

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countercultural publication and

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conspiratorial websites imaginable

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bringing a mischievous sense of

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prankster discordianism to the zany

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world of friends culture leaping

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buildings at a single bound

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go write Lee's readers are plunged into

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alternative universes

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which forever alter their view of

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reality and I should add that Adam along

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with Greg Bishop has a book that should

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be coming out soon I can't wait to read

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it called a is for a damn ski so David

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Adam thank you very much for being with

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us tonight on exploring the bizarre oh

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you're welcome

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yes gentlemen gentlemen thanks for

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joining us around the Extra Terrestrial

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campfire here this is this is an

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intriguing subject and it's certainly

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one that fascinates a lot of people and

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over the years it's gotten quite a bit

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of a attention now Adam I I think we

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should cut it maybe a swing over your

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way when did you first and learn about

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sex and the saucers how had it I mean

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did you think it was the the silly

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season or did you give a credence to the

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idea that you Fonuts might be performing

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a little bit in the dirty D in with

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Earthlings well yeah you know anybody's

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looked into ufology comes across

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numerous reports even you're talking

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about going back through history and in

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the Bible you had you know the the Old

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Testament the says the sons of God came

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into came unto the daughters of man and

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in recent year that's been interpreted

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as this intercourse between angels and

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humans resulted in this hybrid race the

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Nephilim they seen a lie I guess they I

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guess the the the women enjoyed the

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Companions of these giants they were

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angels they were magical people of

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course and so yeah it's it's been a

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fascination with mine I wrote an article

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a few years ago and they just recently

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reposted it at the daily grill called

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UFOs that kind of talks about the

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history of this you know and I go

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through like the Jack Parsons Aleister

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Crowley connections and then on to the

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Golden Age of the contactees there was a

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lot of sex related stories there of

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beautiful Venusian princess princesses

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or for instance oh who was named

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Elizabeth Claire claims she so there was

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a number of them in course as we moved

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into the more active abdi period you had

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four well that was a little with the

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abductions came along it became for sex

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where before I guess to it to a large

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degree it was a willing sex now

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Elizabeth Claire Elizabeth Claire right

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that was it she was from South Africa

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mm-hmm and she had met now it was an

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Adama she had she had met a very

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handsome soap opera the looking type I

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believe his name was

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Anton from the planet meat on her it's

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something like that Shirley yeah claim

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she went on a journey there and never

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some of the 50s era contactees they

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talked about sex but they didn't get

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into the nitty-gritty details but she

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said having sex with the meat on was

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well he can't couldn't beat the earth

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people earth guys couldn't beat them to

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her clever world like pyramid I do

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believe she had a child by him as as

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well which kind of gives us a round to

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the the topic of David Atkins it you

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know experienced with the ETS and and

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his a long last thing

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at least he's got a steady it's not like

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he's out there you know like whooping it

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in the galaxy he as I understand that

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he's got a regular honey from from a far

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but Tim what was the first case you've

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heard of we probably antonio louis from

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south america yeah well i mean that's

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that's probably the one that that got

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the most attention early on and i mean

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time and i mean you know you talked

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earlier about kind of like a consensual

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sexual activity well I mean you know

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villas-boas

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was drugged into a craft that landed out

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in the field that he was plowing and he

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was forcibly oh yes he was plowing yeah

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well not not willingly not really first

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you know I mean they they stripped him

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down and then they they like had a

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sponge and sponged him down with some

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kind of like oily substance and then and

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then there was like some kind of gas

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that was piped into the room that he was

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in you know he speculated the dye that

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the oil or the gas may have you know

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maybe you know it kind of acted as like

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an aphrodisiac for him because once the

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the woman or humanoid came in you know

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he reacted accordingly

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despite the bizarre situation and that

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you know that case it was reported you

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know for a couple years after it

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happened but you know the researchers

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were really squeamish about talking

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about this case you know it sorry at

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that time you know humanoid she wasn't

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she kind of feline they're looking I

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believe well you know she had I think

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she had white hair except that her pubic

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hair was bright red and

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had I'd like that yeah she had like like

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an extremely pointed chin and a thin

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almost lipless mouth and I'd made made

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growling noises rather than I I think I

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met her at the bar last week yeah but

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you know once again with a lot of these

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circumstances I mean you know we have

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things that are humanoid in appearance

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but there are some you know striking the

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similarities that that really stand out

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which you know again you know Boas you

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know he always speculated that they must

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have done something to him to get him to

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react the way that he did because he

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said that you know our you know under

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those kinds of circumstances I think he

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he just doesn't want to admit admit that

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he he he wanted to get a little

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hanky-panky so he's coming up with a

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little side story there about gas and

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all that I don't know IIIi don't know

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well but Adam so back to the the contact

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contact ease did any of them talk about

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openly having sex with their friends

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from the stars oh yeah well we mentioned

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Elizabeth Claire but there was quite a

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few of them that once again they didn't

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really get into the details like or

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figlio Angelou she mentioned you know

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one contact he had where he and this

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Venusian type princess went to another

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room and did their thing and you know

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there was a number you know you had for

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instance Howard min juror who oh yeah

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claimed that his wife was this

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reincarnation of Marla from Venusian who

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he had met as a kid so there was a lot

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of inferences you know and then well

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that know yo you always have my favorite

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this space girl aura Raines

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you know I don't know I don't yeah I

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don't know if Truman veteran claims that

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he was doing the dirty deed with her

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know

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ever did he remarked on her beauty

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remember the line

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she was tops and shapeliness and beauty

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he says in his book and he claimed

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afterwards that aura was named in the

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divorce petition from his wife somehow

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she brought about the divorce because

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who knows he was always talking about

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her or something chat jealous one thing

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I want to mention before you go to David

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you're talking about reptilian sex and

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lady came to mind

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Pamela Stonebrook who you may remember

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mmm yeah I believe wasn't she on the

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Greg Bishop show one time yes she really

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came out when she was on coast to coast

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am this was years ago and I she was

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friends with John Rhodes if you know him

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the yeah yeah yeah John John Rhodes and

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I shared a day or two and we're worried

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in Arizona with the bill birnes and the

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UFO Hunters but Rhodes was this was like

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in the mid-90s he was going on art bill

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that night and they had a little preach

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chat telephone conversation in John you

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know Rhodes brought up Pamela stone

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books you know that she claimed to have

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sex with reptilians and when art heard

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that he went oh can we get her on

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tonight you know he would and so she was

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on the show and her experiences you know

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there's kind of a interdimensional

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aspect to hers you know so it's one of

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those things but she claimed yeah she

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had some very wild and meaningful sex

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with shape you know reptilians now the

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day I take you to a take on yeah I mean

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do they do they do a little bit of

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shape-shifting on these occasions or is

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what you see what you get well kind of

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when I say it was interdimensional she

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was kind of into that so if it's

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interdimensional then there probably is

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some of that going on you know the

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shapeshifter yeah well I guess they got

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a a most of those reptilians would have

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a tongue like gene Simmons I would guess

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I guess well you know whatever whatever

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pleases whatever pleases you that's what

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I always okay something through the

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night well and now how about the there's

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a movie that just the one one of the the

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the Oscar it's about the interspecies a

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sex right the shape of water which I

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haven't seen you but it sounds really

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cool yeah yeah okay then we've come a

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long way from the the The Creature from

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the Black Lagoon I would I would say I

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don't think he was well there of course

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I remember humanoids from the deep they

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were running around on the movie they're

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from what about 20 years ago or so they

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were running around the the center of

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town during the like 4th of July picnic

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grabbing women and running off with them

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a you know they gotta watch their P's

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and Q's here today they they seem to

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think that Earth may be the you know the

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red-light district or something and that

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they can come here they can come here

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and and do what they they they please

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but that isn't the case we have strong

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women today and and they're going to

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well you know Tim I mean here you go you

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go and you look back into the Bible and

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what was it you know like it did Genesis

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that talked about the the sons of God

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coming to earth and finding the the

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human women to be comely and took many

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for their wives well there you go you

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got to have at least two or three ETS

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you know in your in your pocket but I

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I'm sure that the our audience is

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chomping at the the bait here wanting to

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hear David the Huggins tell us all about

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his experiences and so when we come back

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yeah yeah okay well it wouldn't we come

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back from our break

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you can add elements him into his his a

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story so let me ask you guys in all

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candor if you had the opportunity would

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you grab a little oh I'll let him start

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with that put him on the spot I'd have

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that position you know like captain

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kirk's certainly had a fondness for

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green women and if it was yes what were

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the names of the the whole turians yeah

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so timid one in one of our movies that

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will be up on Amazon soon skin eating

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junk jungle vampires who were the who

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witness good evening jump jungle

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hey if it was Captain rains sure well

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again I'm like Adam I had I'd have to

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really seriously consider because I

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think about that South American case

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that you know where the night watchman

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at the ANFO factory was was picked up

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and the the extraterrestrials or

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whatever you want to call them in the

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the UFO he said that the women were not

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she had a hideous face right but it's

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the it's the booty that counts forget

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about the obviously this was a little

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this guy was a little bit more

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discerning than that he wasn't ready to

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go willingly yeah you know after a

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couple of drinks at your favorite

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underground base bar there you go that's

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right again that that brings into the

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you know the whole dearö aspects you

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know where he got the underground race

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that would kidnap the earth women would

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take them down to their caverns for a

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little bit of well exactly yeah so I

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mean not much not much difference there

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well okay it's time to go to our bottom

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of the hour break and when we come back

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we'll break david huggins into the

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conversation so stay tuned we will be

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right back for more exploring the

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bizarre now back to exploring the

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bizarre with two of the most

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electrifying researchers in the Paranoid

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your hosts Timothy Becky Lee and team

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sports and welcome back to exploring the

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bizarre and now we're gonna bring David

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Huggins into the conversation now as we

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said earlier in the program

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David is from Hoboken New Jersey and

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David says that since childhood he has

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experienced a series of bizarre yet

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benevolent encounters with

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extraterrestrial beings among them is

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Crescent a beautiful alien female that

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over the years their relationship

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blossomed into an interspecies romance

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that included children so David thanks

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for being with us tonight on exploring

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the bizarre oh you're quite welcome so

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before we go into these encounters you

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know tell me a little bit about yourself

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I mean you know where were you born I

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you know I've seen your paintings where

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did you learn to paint and you know some

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of this your your your earlier

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experiences before your alleged alien

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encounters well I was born in Norfolk

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my parents were live in Detroit for

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about a year and then we moved to

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Portland County Georgia which I grew up

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on a farm mm-hmm and that's as far as I

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know it's where my experiences began so

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how old were you how old were you when

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these experiences started I think about

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eight years old if something happened

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earlier I just don't remember but I

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remember being eight years old and I was

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behind our barn I was thinking at the

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base of a tree then I hear somebody say

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David behind you I turn around and there

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is this little hairy guy coming Elmo was

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straight toward me I didn't know who or

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what it was I thought it was like a

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boogeyman mm-hmm and I remember

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screaming scrambled lean back and I

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raced through the barn and I turned

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around and the little hairy guy was

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turning around himself and was going

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back into the woods later that day I was

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thinking about it and I went back out to

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the barn and I looked out at the roll of

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trees and a little hairy guy stepped out

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from behind one of the trees and I ran

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away hmm so now what do you say okay I'm

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sorry I'm sorry no I was gonna say so

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when you say little hairy guy I mean you

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talk about like like a miniature version

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of a Bigfoot or something like that I'm

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thinking so yes I I don't know what else

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to call him right I just know they had

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very glowing eyes and when I saw him I

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felt for like for an instant I was

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inside his eyes looking out at me and

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then that emptied that stopped and then

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I remember you know running back toward

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so now was this guy I mean was this was

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this thing part of the you know like say

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extraterrestrial contingent that you

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would encounter you know later on in

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your life yes

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and I feel so because he was there

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several times hmm when I was with the

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other beings and when did when did you

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start encountering the the creatures

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that you have painted in your paintings

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well I started from how I was like eight

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years old until we left the farm which I

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was about maybe 10 or 11 years old right

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and they didn't seem to bother me except

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there was this one time when I was about

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17 I was going to go down to our tuna

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lake but it was in August and it was

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very hot so I figured I'd go to the

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woods and so I go through the woods and

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I don't know what happened actually but

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I see this woman sitting under a tree

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tee I become very aroused she comes

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toward me I pull down my pants and

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everything I fall down the ground and

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she gets on top of me mm-hmm

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and I just have my climax actually it

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was rather painful but it was the same

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time quite ecstatic and I'm looking at

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her eyes and then I pass out and wake up

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about maybe 10 or 15 minutes later my

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tent my pants are down around my knees I

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don't know what had happened I don't

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remember the woman or anything so I

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quickly get up and I pull up my pants

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and everything and I'll leave that spot

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I was suppose I didn't know what what it

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was all about so now before that I mean

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have had you or anybody else in your

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family seemed say like UFOs or things

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00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:12,110
flying around in the sky or were you

541
00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:15,290
just seen these these creatures you know

542
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,960
in the woods well you know I remember

543
00:30:21,310 --> 00:30:20,240
telling my mother and father I was

544
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:21,320
seeing things

545
00:30:27,090 --> 00:30:23,570
they didn't believe me I was imagining

546
00:30:30,190 --> 00:30:27,100
them mm-hmm and I remember one time I

547
00:30:36,340 --> 00:30:30,200
told mother there's something else

548
00:30:37,420 --> 00:30:36,350
warned scuse me and she says all right

549
00:30:39,820 --> 00:30:37,430
that's it

550
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:39,830
so she gave me a whipping like you would

551
00:30:48,220 --> 00:30:44,240
not believe and the next day and behind

552
00:30:51,580 --> 00:30:48,230
our house and there is this woman and I

553
00:30:54,550 --> 00:30:51,590
go up to her and I say my mama and daddy

554
00:30:58,930 --> 00:30:54,560
don't believe me that I see you hmm

555
00:31:02,260 --> 00:30:58,940
I got equipment as soon as I said that I

556
00:31:04,330 --> 00:31:02,270
knew she didn't like hearing that then

557
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:04,340
she looked right into my eyes and she

558
00:31:10,450 --> 00:31:08,050
says then don't tell them hmm after that

559
00:31:15,790 --> 00:31:10,460
whenever I had an encounter with these

560
00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:15,800
beings I never said a word so now what

561
00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:17,750
did this woman what did this woman look

562
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:23,500
like the world he had black hair mm-hmm

563
00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:27,200
large almond-shaped eyes a very pale

564
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:31,670
face and she wore a like a very dark

565
00:31:42,730 --> 00:31:39,710
blue cloak if you would have seen her on

566
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:42,740
the streets say dressed in you know just

567
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:44,330
regular clothes you know blue jeans

568
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:46,250
t-shirt that sort of thing would she

569
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:50,930
have stood out no I don't think so I

570
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:52,610
don't think you would have noticed her

571
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:53,360
all that much

572
00:32:00,490 --> 00:31:57,770
mm-hmm the reason I ask that is the some

573
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:00,500
of the paintings that I had seen the the

574
00:32:06,210 --> 00:32:02,080
figures

575
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:06,220
that you have painted they have the

576
00:32:10,649 --> 00:32:07,929
almost like the you know what you would

577
00:32:13,230 --> 00:32:10,659
call like say like the typical gray

578
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:13,240
alien type of face you know very pale

579
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,970
with large eyes no mouth or if there is

580
00:32:21,899 --> 00:32:21,279
a mouth it's very thin and very pointed

581
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:21,909
chins

582
00:32:28,289 --> 00:32:24,640
yet the body is very you know very human

583
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:28,299
looking I mean is this how they they

584
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:31,809
looked or this is a artistic license so

585
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:36,250
to speak I have no idea I feel that that

586
00:32:43,399 --> 00:32:40,090
is the way they looked mm-hmm I don't

587
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:43,409
know why their faces weren't the same

588
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:47,529
pigmentation as their bodies but it was

589
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:55,690
different so after you moved you say you

590
00:33:00,120 --> 00:32:57,730
moved how old were you uh did you say

591
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:00,130
when you moved from your farm in Georgia

592
00:33:06,269 --> 00:33:04,450
I was about maybe 10 11 years old okay

593
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:06,279
and okay now and where were you living

594
00:33:11,879 --> 00:33:10,210
when you had when you were 17 and had

595
00:33:15,379 --> 00:33:11,889
the experience where you seduced in

596
00:33:20,129 --> 00:33:15,389
woods I was living in Acworth Georgia

597
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:20,139
okay all right so how long did it take

598
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:22,690
you you say that after your experience

599
00:33:28,110 --> 00:33:25,690
that you know when you woke up you had

600
00:33:30,299 --> 00:33:28,120
no memory of what had happened I mean

601
00:33:33,870 --> 00:33:30,309
how long did it take you for this memory

602
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:33,880
to come back Oh God

603
00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:39,850
I would say after 1987 and was there was

604
00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:44,710
there a catalyst that made this memory

605
00:33:48,269 --> 00:33:46,630
you know come back to you did something

606
00:33:52,919 --> 00:33:48,279
happen that you were just like oh my god

607
00:33:56,970 --> 00:33:52,929
this happened to me yes I had I don't

608
00:33:59,340 --> 00:33:56,980
know what it was but after 1987 I was

609
00:34:03,149 --> 00:33:59,350
feeling very distressed for some reason

610
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:03,159
and I had heard about MIT Whitney

611
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:06,490
Streeter and there was something about

612
00:34:15,780 --> 00:34:11,919
both Hopkins one of the

613
00:34:21,089 --> 00:34:15,790
books I think it was intruders and I

614
00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:21,099
went to look for the book now we had a

615
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:24,790
bookstore on 8th and Washington it's no

616
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,609
longer there but that went into the

617
00:34:32,609 --> 00:34:29,200
bookstore and I asked him if he had the

618
00:34:34,409 --> 00:34:32,619
book intruders and he said no but I

619
00:34:37,470 --> 00:34:34,419
could go down the street there was

620
00:34:39,930 --> 00:34:37,480
another bookstore I cut right there so I

621
00:34:44,730 --> 00:34:39,940
did but they didn't have it either

622
00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:44,740
either so I come walking back and I'm

623
00:34:49,740 --> 00:34:47,710
passing books on a street and the owner

624
00:34:52,829 --> 00:34:49,750
of the book store comes out and he says

625
00:34:56,549 --> 00:34:52,839
hey David I've got you Brooke you have

626
00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:56,559
my book yeah this woman comes inside and

627
00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:59,410
she gives me this book interest is this

628
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:02,880
for you he says that is very strange

629
00:35:10,289 --> 00:35:07,599
anyway so I take the book and I just

630
00:35:13,549 --> 00:35:10,299
started looking through it I get into a

631
00:35:16,530 --> 00:35:13,559
chapter called other women other men and

632
00:35:19,799 --> 00:35:16,540
there is a description of a man having

633
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:19,809
sex with a woman and that was it

634
00:35:28,260 --> 00:35:23,650
I mean man you have no idea what I went

635
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:28,270
through image upon image upon image came

636
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:31,089
flooding into my mind are you saying

637
00:35:39,660 --> 00:35:35,970
then that you had had continued

638
00:35:44,339 --> 00:35:39,670
experiences with these beans before

639
00:35:46,289 --> 00:35:44,349
what 1986 oh yes that at the end that

640
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:46,299
you had up until that point you had no

641
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,510
memory of that's right I didn't okay so

642
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:51,760
okay so now and and I'll you know I want

643
00:35:57,089 --> 00:35:53,710
to ask you you know about those other

644
00:35:59,579 --> 00:35:57,099
experiences but did you did you have any

645
00:36:04,079 --> 00:35:59,589
then after that after that point after

646
00:36:05,099 --> 00:36:04,089
1986 oh yes I did okay all right just

647
00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:05,109
one to make sure

648
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,180
so was this a continual then process say

649
00:36:13,650 --> 00:36:12,640
like after you know after the age of 17

650
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:13,660
you know when you had that first

651
00:36:21,450 --> 00:36:18,010
experience I mean was this a daily

652
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:21,460
monthly you know type of situation or do

653
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:25,310
you remember those kind of details well

654
00:36:32,890 --> 00:36:28,910
before I left Georgia I love Georgia

655
00:36:37,780 --> 00:36:32,900
when I was 19 and I had an apartment up

656
00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:37,790
on 87th Street $90 a month you can't get

657
00:36:48,460 --> 00:36:41,950
that anymore whoo no whoo and anyway I

658
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,470
had a part-time job working in a it was

659
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:50,480
it was a hardware store Manhattan

660
00:36:57,550 --> 00:36:55,370
hardware and that would day it was doing

661
00:37:03,940 --> 00:36:57,560
the great mass transit strike you

662
00:37:06,670 --> 00:37:03,950
remember that during the 60s hello

663
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:06,680
well he lives in Jasper so he wouldn't

664
00:37:18,130 --> 00:37:13,040
remember that I never take the subway

665
00:37:20,110 --> 00:37:18,140
but go ahead with the story well anyway

666
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:20,120
I was working at the hardware store and

667
00:37:25,420 --> 00:37:23,090
I was putting stock on the shelves and I

668
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:25,430
turn around and these I see these two

669
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:29,090
people so I get up over and I go over to

670
00:37:35,230 --> 00:37:31,210
the mastic may I help you

671
00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:35,240
they don't say a word not one word I say

672
00:37:40,210 --> 00:37:36,980
it again may I help you

673
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,220
not a word I'm kind of looking at the

674
00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:42,320
rise and then suddenly for some reason

675
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:44,540
they quickly turned and they walked out

676
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:49,730
of the store anyway that evening when I

677
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:52,250
left it was raining like cats and dogs

678
00:38:02,890 --> 00:37:55,370
and I thought to myself this is gonna be

679
00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:02,900
one wet walk so anyway I started walking

680
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:08,660
was a 72nd Street I get I get to First

681
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:13,760
Avenue and I hold out my thumb and this

682
00:38:18,370 --> 00:38:16,370
big black car I don't know what kind it

683
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:18,380
is maybe it was a type of limousine I

684
00:38:23,830 --> 00:38:19,370
have no idea

685
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:23,840
stops and this woman comes over and she

686
00:38:30,010 --> 00:38:27,200
says where you're going I said ma'am if

687
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:30,020
you can help me across Central Park I

688
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:33,410
can walk the rest of the way

689
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:37,130
so I get into the car we don't talk very

690
00:38:43,180 --> 00:38:40,730
much anyway I get to the other side that

691
00:38:44,770 --> 00:38:43,190
says ma'am you can let me out here and

692
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:44,780
she says where do you live I said I live

693
00:38:51,790 --> 00:38:48,890
on 87 theses as well I'll take you so

694
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:51,800
she takes me up to 87th Street stops in

695
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:53,510
front of the apartment building in the

696
00:39:00,070 --> 00:38:57,410
ramune and I say well ma'am thank you

697
00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:00,080
very much you have saved me a very wet

698
00:39:08,530 --> 00:39:03,950
walk she doesn't say anything she just

699
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:08,540
looks at me and then she leaves and that

700
00:39:18,910 --> 00:39:13,250
night I go to bed and I have this very

701
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:18,920
very weird dream of a woman's face and

702
00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:22,130
her eyes are closed but she is coming

703
00:39:30,450 --> 00:39:25,640
toward me and that's all I remembered

704
00:39:33,370 --> 00:39:30,460
and I didn't know what to think of it

705
00:39:35,770 --> 00:39:33,380
but like everything you know you forget

706
00:39:47,350 --> 00:39:35,780
so that's what happened that's I forgot

707
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:47,360
it so when did you I guess that I mean

708
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:49,730
when did these experiences get to the

709
00:39:56,140 --> 00:39:54,110
point where you actually considered

710
00:40:01,960 --> 00:39:56,150
these actually to be like a romance

711
00:40:03,790 --> 00:40:01,970
almost I don't know what to tell you but

712
00:40:04,060 --> 00:40:03,800
it's like it's happened all through my

713
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:04,070
life

714
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:06,910
uh-huh I have known this one woman and

715
00:40:14,050 --> 00:40:09,410
her name is crest or lose that's the

716
00:40:19,570 --> 00:40:14,060
name I gave her and we just well we had

717
00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:19,580
an affair and I mean why do you think

718
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:25,100
that she chose you I have no idea I mean

719
00:40:33,130 --> 00:40:28,400
that's a $64 question I have no idea

720
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:33,140
yeah I mean why choose any human maybe

721
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:34,970
you said earlier you were talking about

722
00:40:43,450 --> 00:40:38,930
other humans who have had you know a sex

723
00:40:45,790 --> 00:40:43,460
with other beings why them I mean I

724
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,800
don't consider myself anything special

725
00:40:50,810 --> 00:40:46,800
or anything like that

726
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:50,820
I mean it happened that's all I can say

727
00:40:54,830 --> 00:40:53,010
yeah well I mean and that's you know

728
00:40:57,620 --> 00:40:54,840
that's one of the things that I know you

729
00:41:00,020 --> 00:40:57,630
know Beckley and I and and and Adam have

730
00:41:02,980 --> 00:41:00,030
talked and have written about you know

731
00:41:05,690 --> 00:41:02,990
when it comes to these kinds of

732
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:05,700
experiences you know because you would

733
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,250
think that if you were dealing with you

734
00:41:13,070 --> 00:41:10,560
know an actual extraterrestrial species

735
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:13,080
from another planet that we would it be

736
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:16,770
compatible you know that the the you

737
00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:19,290
know the two parts wouldn't would it

738
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:20,460
match up so to speak

739
00:41:27,859 --> 00:41:26,010
and and yet you know not only not only

740
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:27,869
were you sexually compatible but it

741
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:29,040
sounds like that there was an emotional

742
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:35,490
element going on as well yes there was I

743
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:41,850
it was really weird how can I put this

744
00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:44,000
mm-hmm

745
00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:47,070
anyway in my apartment I would hear this

746
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:51,230
these words will be back tonight

747
00:41:55,820 --> 00:41:54,930
but as soon as it was said I would

748
00:42:05,000 --> 00:41:55,830
forget it

749
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:05,010
months and months and then one morning

750
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:08,640
when I woke up I remember her hearing

751
00:42:15,260 --> 00:42:11,850
those words we'll be back tonight but

752
00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:15,270
this time I didn't forget them you have

753
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,820
no idea what I was going through during

754
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:19,920
that day yes

755
00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:23,609
she's real no it's not it's a dream

756
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:26,820
whatever I couldn't I didn't know what

757
00:42:30,730 --> 00:42:27,359
to think

758
00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:30,740
now now David David did you did you ever

759
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:35,070
I mean feel that the you might be going

760
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:38,130
insane or that I mean that this just

761
00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:41,460
isn't something that happens to most

762
00:42:47,090 --> 00:42:44,280
people I mean it does happen from time

763
00:42:50,980 --> 00:42:47,100
to time but I mean did you ever feel

764
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:50,990
that you that something was amiss here

765
00:42:58,670 --> 00:42:55,440
yes I did I didn't know what to do with

766
00:43:00,110 --> 00:42:58,680
it I mean I was like conflicted like you

767
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:00,120
have no idea

768
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:03,930
and then anyway that evening I'm walking

769
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:07,890
up to 87th Street anyway I passed a

770
00:43:15,410 --> 00:43:12,480
florist and in the windows or he has his

771
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:15,420
pink cyclamens it's a beautiful flower

772
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:21,650
by the way Pink's red stems great leafy

773
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:25,520
believes this is just a beautiful plant

774
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:29,700
anyway I thought to myself ok if she's

775
00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:30,420
real

776
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:34,230
this plant is for her if she's not our

777
00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:38,190
to a painting of it so I went in above

778
00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:42,150
the plant and I took it home anyway that

779
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:46,980
night I slept so well don't remember a

780
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:50,460
thing and I get up the next morning and

781
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:53,520
that passed the bookshelf where I had

782
00:43:59,300 --> 00:43:58,290
quote put the plant unquote but it

783
00:44:02,930 --> 00:43:59,310
wasn't there

784
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:02,940
but I couldn't remember it and not only

785
00:44:12,590 --> 00:44:07,020
that I couldn't remember even going to

786
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:12,600
the florist and buying it anyway I get I

787
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:21,160
excuse me

788
00:44:27,020 --> 00:44:24,210
anyway I get dressed up and everything

789
00:44:29,740 --> 00:44:27,030
and I go down to the league and I had a

790
00:44:34,450 --> 00:44:29,750
part-time job job there on Saturdays

791
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:34,460
working in the gallery and so anyway

792
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:38,010
around 12:00 12:30 someone comes up to

793
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:40,140
take my place so I go for lunch I

794
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:43,560
wouldn't I had lunch and I'm on the

795
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:46,770
first floor and I go into the back

796
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:49,170
studios and I pass

797
00:44:56,690 --> 00:44:52,110
Mariel C Cooper's watercolor class and

798
00:45:01,210 --> 00:44:56,700
it was filled with flowers Wham

799
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:01,220
oh my god she took the flowers that

800
00:45:08,060 --> 00:45:04,770
image came right back to me I was lying

801
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:08,070
in bed I couldn't move she's looking at

802
00:45:15,729 --> 00:45:12,079
the flowers and I reversed saying the

803
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:15,739
those are for you she and the insect

804
00:45:20,949 --> 00:45:17,209
being bleep

805
00:45:23,049 --> 00:45:20,959
she takes the flowers with her and that

806
00:45:31,509 --> 00:45:23,059
evening I knew that they were going to

807
00:45:34,539 --> 00:45:31,519
be back that night okay so now now you

808
00:45:38,709 --> 00:45:34,549
say you say insect of being they they

809
00:45:43,029 --> 00:45:38,719
they travel in pairs or well there was

810
00:45:45,219 --> 00:45:43,039
always a yeah little gray guys the woman

811
00:45:48,459 --> 00:45:45,229
and the insect being I mean I'm not

812
00:45:50,289 --> 00:45:48,469
saying that he's an insect but he does

813
00:45:54,999 --> 00:45:50,299
remind me of a praying mantis

814
00:45:58,359 --> 00:45:55,009
oh well that's kind of that's kind of

815
00:46:03,729 --> 00:45:58,369
rough now I don't know I guess I'm just

816
00:46:06,430 --> 00:46:03,739
not into a siege I hate the insects or

817
00:46:09,209 --> 00:46:06,440
might be like of some science fiction

818
00:46:12,699 --> 00:46:09,219
movies I might have seen when I was a

819
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:12,709
kid or during the 50 now I mean there

820
00:46:19,499 --> 00:46:15,890
was the devil yes I remember that oh my

821
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:19,509
goodness yes but I have seen these

822
00:46:26,979 --> 00:46:24,529
insect like beings different sizes time

823
00:46:31,089 --> 00:46:26,989
larger than me and sometimes smaller

824
00:46:34,989 --> 00:46:31,099
than me oh boy and what would you do if

825
00:46:37,689 --> 00:46:34,999
you saw a giant mantis I don't know I

826
00:46:40,209 --> 00:46:37,699
would hope I'd be calm and try to

827
00:46:46,569 --> 00:46:40,219
communicate with it if it was from

828
00:46:49,390 --> 00:46:46,579
another planet Oh with me that won't

829
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:49,400
happen with me I want to ask David did

830
00:46:54,729 --> 00:46:51,650
you go on their spacecraft at all or did

831
00:46:58,959 --> 00:46:54,739
you see any of the spacecraft yeah

832
00:47:03,219 --> 00:46:58,969
they're good mm-hmm there was this one

833
00:47:06,699 --> 00:47:03,229
time where after I had seen the little

834
00:47:10,299 --> 00:47:06,709
hairy guy I remember seeing an an owl

835
00:47:14,259 --> 00:47:10,309
because I think it was an owl in a tree

836
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:14,269
right next to our window and I'm looking

837
00:47:18,849 --> 00:47:16,130
at it and I laid down and then these

838
00:47:22,829 --> 00:47:18,859
little gray guys come in and they take

839
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:22,839
me out of a mire room and we float up to

840
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,780
while we're there the woman I mean I'm

841
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:33,680
with a little girl the little gray guy

842
00:47:41,170 --> 00:47:37,910
and I'm looking at him and this woman

843
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:41,180
comes in and I turned to him and I say

844
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:45,170
is that your mama he gives me a wink of

845
00:47:53,620 --> 00:47:49,520
a smile she smiles - anyway she has a

846
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:53,630
long thin rod in her hand and she comes

847
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,240
toward me David I'm gonna have to hold

848
00:47:59,800 --> 00:47:57,920
I'm gonna have to ask you to hold that

849
00:48:02,200 --> 00:47:59,810
thought because we are coming to our top

850
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:02,210
of the hour break and we'll ask you to

851
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,490
continue their story when we come back

852
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:07,040
with more exploring the bizarre so stay

853
00:48:15,530 --> 00:48:20,320
[Music]

854
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:24,620
explore the bazaars are your e-ticket

855
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:27,290
ride into the world of the paranormal

856
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:30,570
strap yourself in as we traverse the

857
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:34,880
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

858
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:38,000
ghosts Lost Worlds

859
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:40,380
cryptozoology as well as other

860
00:48:48,620 --> 00:48:44,250
dimensions it's time to take back the

861
00:48:51,890 --> 00:48:48,630
night last night now your electrifying

862
00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:51,900
hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

863
00:49:01,400 --> 00:48:58,500
Begley and team sports alright welcome

864
00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:01,410
back to exploring the bizarre going into

865
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:06,180
our second hour now Tim and when when we

866
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:11,160
went to our hour break David was giving

867
00:49:20,540 --> 00:49:16,970
us a story about his an encounter with I

868
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:20,550
think David said that with a woman who

869
00:49:27,110 --> 00:49:23,610
had pulled out a did you say a glowing

870
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:27,120
one David yes you did

871
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:28,370
alright what's go ahead and continue

872
00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:31,260
that story I know everyone's uh can't

873
00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:33,510
wait to hear what they have to say well

874
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:37,470
anyway she took it the rod and she's

875
00:49:45,530 --> 00:49:42,330
rusted up my nose yeah yeah and she

876
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:45,540
loves something inside it and I remember

877
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:48,570
saying I you hurt me you hurt me you

878
00:49:54,170 --> 00:49:52,650
hurt me and she says look at me so I

879
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:54,180
looked at her she says I'll make the

880
00:50:03,020 --> 00:49:57,450
pain go away so she touched my nose and

881
00:50:04,940 --> 00:50:03,030
the pain went away and anyway when I

882
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:04,950
woke up the next morning and I went for

883
00:50:09,140 --> 00:50:07,530
breakfast my mother asked me what's

884
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,150
wrong with my nose you must have been

885
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:10,800
you must have scratched it during the

886
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:20,210
and then it was what years later that

887
00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:23,760
the memory came back to you oh yes yes

888
00:50:30,740 --> 00:50:28,140
after I had read intruders by Budd

889
00:50:32,670 --> 00:50:30,750
Hopkins and that when I read that

890
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:32,680
chapter

891
00:50:41,310 --> 00:50:35,710
so many images came back you cannot

892
00:50:43,860 --> 00:50:41,320
believe but now Adam had asked if you

893
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:43,870
know if there were times where you know

894
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:47,200
but that you were taken you know rather

895
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:49,810
than coming to visit you you went with

896
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:52,210
them now you had that instance where you

897
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:53,250
know obviously you were someplace

898
00:50:59,480 --> 00:50:56,130
someplace else I mean do you remember

899
00:51:04,860 --> 00:50:59,490
being on something that you know

900
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:04,870
obviously looked different I mean not a

901
00:51:09,540 --> 00:51:07,090
human construction but and and I always

902
00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:09,550
hate to use the word spaceship because I

903
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:11,470
mean you know that's we don't we don't

904
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:13,090
know if it's spaceship or not but you

905
00:51:20,610 --> 00:51:17,200
know some kind of craft well there was a

906
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:20,620
craft which I had seen which I had been

907
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:23,650
inside mmm-hmm and then there was

908
00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:29,130
something else that happened one of the

909
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:32,950
memories that I remember was I was in my

910
00:51:41,730 --> 00:51:36,370
studio and I was doing some work and

911
00:51:44,220 --> 00:51:41,740
suddenly the wall opened up and question

912
00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:44,230
is there she says David the baby is

913
00:51:52,730 --> 00:51:48,430
dying and I say baby what baby your baby

914
00:51:54,990 --> 00:51:52,740
but it's dying and I remember saying

915
00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:55,000
show me my baby

916
00:52:01,260 --> 00:51:58,570
at first she wouldn't do it on the third

917
00:52:04,770 --> 00:52:01,270
time of where I yelled it out showed me

918
00:52:08,670 --> 00:52:04,780
my baby she picked her baby out up and

919
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:08,680
she held it in front of her I remember

920
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:11,920
her lowering her head and I remember

921
00:52:19,890 --> 00:52:15,370
saying no no no don't hold the baby that

922
00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:19,900
way cradled the baby in your arms listen

923
00:52:27,090 --> 00:52:23,350
I've got to come there no it's not

924
00:52:30,330 --> 00:52:27,100
allowed oh yeah my baby is dying well

925
00:52:34,290 --> 00:52:30,340
watch this I go and I lay down on my bed

926
00:52:37,770 --> 00:52:34,300
and I instantly pass out the next thing

927
00:52:42,330 --> 00:52:37,780
I know I am there wherever there is I

928
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:42,340
have no idea and one of the insect

929
00:52:46,270 --> 00:52:42,910
beings

930
00:52:49,690 --> 00:52:46,280
Kem's comes over to me and says

931
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:49,700
what are you doing here and our sex my

932
00:52:58,780 --> 00:52:52,310
baby is dying my baby is dying I want to

933
00:53:01,900 --> 00:52:58,790
see my baby he says no when he says that

934
00:53:05,410 --> 00:53:01,910
I mean it would have been easier to move

935
00:53:09,490 --> 00:53:05,420
the Rock of Gibraltar than to get him to

936
00:53:11,050 --> 00:53:09,500
change his mind I'm looking at a woman I

937
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:11,060
just what are you what do you think that

938
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:14,960
is I don't know I'm thinking that

939
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:17,930
perhaps it might do some harm I have no

940
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:25,370
idea anyway I been one knee and I been

941
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:29,210
the other and I prostrate myself in

942
00:53:33,810 --> 00:53:32,690
front of him and I say please let me see

943
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:33,820
my baby

944
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:37,040
now everybody there as far as I can tell

945
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,210
were rather surprised what I had done

946
00:53:45,870 --> 00:53:43,040
but anyway I got the impression I should

947
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:45,880
get up and follow him so I do and

948
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:48,800
there's the woman she's holding the baby

949
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:53,210
in her arms and I reach over and just as

950
00:54:01,120 --> 00:53:57,050
I do like static electricity jumps from

951
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:01,130
my hand to the baby and I remember

952
00:54:06,340 --> 00:54:03,770
looking at the insect being I said wow

953
00:54:10,420 --> 00:54:06,350
did you see that let me do that again I

954
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:10,430
did it again and this time the baby

955
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:14,690
moved the next thing I know I'm looking

956
00:54:20,530 --> 00:54:17,330
at the insect being and he says like

957
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:20,540
follow me so I follow him into another

958
00:54:28,810 --> 00:54:24,880
room and this room is filled with babies

959
00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:28,820
and I'm looking around and saying well

960
00:54:37,810 --> 00:54:33,940
whose babies are these he points to me

961
00:54:41,860 --> 00:54:37,820
and I'm there for one reason and one

962
00:54:43,410 --> 00:54:41,870
reason only to touch the babies and

963
00:54:46,530 --> 00:54:43,420
that's what I did

964
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:46,540
bet you say well this more than one oh

965
00:54:53,140 --> 00:54:50,330
yes there were so many I can't tell you

966
00:54:56,170 --> 00:54:53,150
how many other work there were a lot

967
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:56,180
well I mean after all some of this is in

968
00:55:01,959 --> 00:54:59,599
your in your paintings in fact

969
00:55:04,420 --> 00:55:01,969
you're having an exhibit that balance

970
00:55:07,989 --> 00:55:04,430
there in Jersey City I I was just out

971
00:55:12,969 --> 00:55:07,999
there and last weekend that Carla put a

972
00:55:14,410 --> 00:55:12,979
indigo streak in my silver air and I was

973
00:55:17,219 --> 00:55:14,420
looking at some of the paintings you

974
00:55:20,620 --> 00:55:17,229
know and they're just they're just so

975
00:55:22,329 --> 00:55:20,630
mesmerizing and and I know that it just

976
00:55:27,009 --> 00:55:22,339
kind of sucks you right into this other

977
00:55:30,849 --> 00:55:27,019
I I would call it the alien landscape

978
00:55:33,130 --> 00:55:30,859
but you know what I wanted a now a Adamo

979
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:33,140
are you familiar throughout like us any

980
00:55:40,509 --> 00:55:36,890
of the like the fairy lore where people

981
00:55:43,209 --> 00:55:40,519
are you know disappear and apparently go

982
00:55:47,259 --> 00:55:43,219
and actually live with with some of

983
00:55:50,439 --> 00:55:47,269
these elemental beings yeah I'm kind of

984
00:55:54,279 --> 00:55:50,449
aware of it yeah well now did any of

985
00:55:56,979 --> 00:55:54,289
these okay they they disappear and are

986
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:56,989
not seen for well Rip Van Winkle I guess

987
00:56:01,089 --> 00:55:59,599
would have been you know at the at 20

988
00:56:04,539 --> 00:56:01,099
years or something like that although

989
00:56:08,739 --> 00:56:04,549
the period of time in their dimension

990
00:56:13,289 --> 00:56:08,749
and our dimension would be I guess are

991
00:56:16,539 --> 00:56:13,299
quite different but were there any

992
00:56:19,329 --> 00:56:16,549
relationships between less escola mental

993
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:19,339
elementals between elementals

994
00:56:28,689 --> 00:56:24,559
and and earthlings that produce the

995
00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:28,699
offspring I would say yeah there were

996
00:56:33,939 --> 00:56:31,849
those tales I can't quote them all off

997
00:56:37,749 --> 00:56:33,949
the top of my head but yeah you've heard

998
00:56:40,979 --> 00:56:37,759
those stories as well where they there

999
00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:40,989
was yeah exactly

1000
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:43,640
now Tim I I think what you're telling me

1001
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:46,640
earlier today something about a elves in

1002
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:47,359
Iceland

1003
00:57:00,999 --> 00:56:57,680
has a very rich tradition of you know

1004
00:57:03,370 --> 00:57:01,009
elven war and in fact there there are

1005
00:57:06,249 --> 00:57:03,380
stories and in fact modern stories of

1006
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:06,259
people who have claimed that they have

1007
00:57:12,110 --> 00:57:09,570
had you know sexual relations

1008
00:57:14,530 --> 00:57:12,120
with the with the elves I mean one woman

1009
00:57:20,090 --> 00:57:14,540
in particular I think now she's actually

1010
00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:20,100
has gotten into like local politics but

1011
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:22,740
I mean she wrote an article I mean it's

1012
00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:24,450
it's probably what I wrote around five

1013
00:57:31,820 --> 00:57:26,910
years ago you know talking about her

1014
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:31,830
experiences with one elven lover in

1015
00:57:37,790 --> 00:57:35,010
particular but you know the the question

1016
00:57:42,050 --> 00:57:37,800
that you had asked Adam you know there

1017
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:42,060
are a number of stories you know

1018
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:44,460
traditions myths whatever you'd want to

1019
00:57:55,820 --> 00:57:48,510
call them where a lot of times say that

1020
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:55,830
a human will take on say like a diary or

1021
00:58:01,880 --> 00:57:58,170
a fairy or whatever you'd want to call

1022
00:58:04,940 --> 00:58:01,890
it lover and we'll bring her back to you

1023
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:04,950
know like our world and they'll have a

1024
00:58:12,500 --> 00:58:07,770
child or sometimes several children and

1025
00:58:16,610 --> 00:58:12,510
at some point the the wife will decide

1026
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:16,620
that she has to go back and she will go

1027
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:20,010
back and take the children with her so I

1028
00:58:28,070 --> 00:58:23,610
mean you're seeing hmm very much kind of

1029
00:58:33,010 --> 00:58:28,080
that same scenario working out with

1030
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:33,020
experiences like David and and others

1031
00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:36,810
you know the the stories are remarkably

1032
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:39,960
the same it's just that the characters

1033
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:44,880
have changed so to speak hmm well what

1034
00:58:52,940 --> 00:58:50,370
what does that mean I it can we say then

1035
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:52,950
that the story that these experiences

1036
00:58:57,890 --> 00:58:56,160
are really happening on and some is it

1037
00:59:01,250 --> 00:58:57,900
happening on a physical level or

1038
00:59:05,330 --> 00:59:01,260
metaphysical level a spiritual level or

1039
00:59:07,550 --> 00:59:05,340
an imaginary level for all that it's not

1040
00:59:14,770 --> 00:59:07,560
this was kind of asking about the

1041
00:59:20,790 --> 00:59:19,400
David are you talking to me yeah oh okay

1042
00:59:25,770 --> 00:59:20,800
I'm sorry

1043
00:59:29,850 --> 00:59:25,780
yes there was I remember that was an

1044
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:29,860
incident when I was a kid where we were

1045
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:32,770
sitting around the kitchen table and my

1046
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:36,310
grandma's grandfather said anybody seen

1047
00:59:43,730 --> 00:59:39,040
any calves or anything like that lying

1048
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:43,740
in the back field and I say no I hadn't

1049
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:46,690
anyway I go around and I look at it and

1050
00:59:52,170 --> 00:59:48,850
there is this whole area where just max

1051
00:59:57,150 --> 00:59:52,180
down for some reason I get very scared

1052
01:00:00,920 --> 00:59:57,160
and I run away from it but I will do

1053
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:00,930
remember where something had landed and

1054
01:00:10,410 --> 01:00:05,050
I was taken over to it but I have no

1055
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:10,420
idea what happened this side now did any

1056
01:00:16,890 --> 01:00:14,410
of these things ever say to you you know

1057
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:16,900
hey we're from up there you know we're

1058
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:19,090
from Alpha Centauri or anything like

1059
01:00:24,510 --> 01:00:21,040
that or you know or simply just you know

1060
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:24,520
we're from another planet I have no idea

1061
01:00:30,810 --> 01:00:27,310
if they're from another planet fine

1062
01:00:33,330 --> 01:00:30,820
if their intergalactic fine if they're I

1063
01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:33,340
don't know another universe or

1064
01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:37,020
interdimensional find I just don't know

1065
01:00:44,250 --> 01:00:41,230
though I do kind of go toward the idea

1066
01:00:48,330 --> 01:00:44,260
of them being interdimensional only

1067
01:00:51,870 --> 01:00:48,340
because of the opening of the wall now

1068
01:00:54,180 --> 01:00:51,880
when you say what what just what what

1069
01:00:57,330 --> 01:00:54,190
does their world look like I mean

1070
01:01:00,270 --> 01:00:57,340
outside of seeing these these these

1071
01:01:03,170 --> 01:01:00,280
children and the issue of beings have

1072
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:03,180
you ever explored their world at all

1073
01:01:09,810 --> 01:01:05,680
well there is something about a

1074
01:01:14,190 --> 01:01:09,820
landscape where I am passing these caves

1075
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:14,200
in the side of a cliff and there are

1076
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:18,730
these vehicles inside I have no idea

1077
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:21,910
where I'm at but I know that the soil

1078
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:27,250
was very red and would you say vehicles

1079
01:01:31,980 --> 01:01:29,680
are we talking about more spaceships or

1080
01:01:33,809 --> 01:01:31,990
are we talking about a you know a

1081
01:01:37,410 --> 01:01:33,819
vehicle that can

1082
01:01:40,529 --> 01:01:37,420
be driven across the terrain no this is

1083
01:01:44,279 --> 01:01:40,539
like an interspatial this is like goes

1084
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:44,289
into space and and have they ever talked

1085
01:01:49,019 --> 01:01:47,440
now they when they speak to you do they

1086
01:01:53,819 --> 01:01:49,029
actually speak I mean do you communicate

1087
01:01:58,079 --> 01:01:53,829
in a verbal sense sometimes when it is

1088
01:02:01,259 --> 01:01:58,089
very stressful other times it is quite a

1089
01:02:06,089 --> 01:02:01,269
mental telepathy if you will I have no

1090
01:02:08,099 --> 01:02:06,099
idea what you would call it no Adam how

1091
01:02:12,299 --> 01:02:08,109
would you say that the David's is a

1092
01:02:18,299 --> 01:02:12,309
story stack pardon the expression here

1093
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:18,309
stacks up to other experiences along

1094
01:02:25,289 --> 01:02:21,910
this line well it sounds very sincere to

1095
01:02:28,469 --> 01:02:25,299
me I'd read some of about David's

1096
01:02:30,749 --> 01:02:28,479
experiences before I have the book that

1097
01:02:34,739 --> 01:02:30,759
came out a few years ago and I saw other

1098
01:02:39,239 --> 01:02:34,749
things posted online over the years and

1099
01:02:41,150 --> 01:02:39,249
you know stories consistent but you know

1100
01:02:44,699 --> 01:02:41,160
you can also once again make those

1101
01:02:47,729 --> 01:02:44,709
comparisons to fairy lore and other

1102
01:02:50,130 --> 01:02:47,739
experiences you know down through human

1103
01:02:52,859 --> 01:02:50,140
history and David centered himself he

1104
01:02:55,650 --> 01:02:52,869
you know they said they're from other

1105
01:02:58,529 --> 01:02:55,660
planets but you know maybe it's part of

1106
01:03:00,539 --> 01:02:58,539
an experience it's been going on on our

1107
01:03:05,130 --> 01:03:00,549
planet for a long time whether they are

1108
01:03:07,529 --> 01:03:05,140
with you know from a another planet or

1109
01:03:10,289 --> 01:03:07,539
whether they're into interdimensional or

1110
01:03:12,299 --> 01:03:10,299
whatever these creatures may be you know

1111
01:03:15,140 --> 01:03:12,309
it's it once again it talks about all

1112
01:03:18,529 --> 01:03:15,150
this the fairy lore the stories about

1113
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:18,539
the ink you buy and suck you buy that

1114
01:03:26,279 --> 01:03:21,910
we've idea bedrooms come up to your

1115
01:03:29,219 --> 01:03:26,289
bedroom at night yeah mm-hmm now so I

1116
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:29,229
would say once again yeah David sounds

1117
01:03:35,459 --> 01:03:33,609
very sincere to me like you know it

1118
01:03:37,739 --> 01:03:35,469
comes across to me that he did

1119
01:03:41,519 --> 01:03:37,749
experience something whether you know we

1120
01:03:45,170 --> 01:03:41,529
know these are aliens for sure or not is

1121
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:45,180
another question well what what do you

1122
01:03:49,569 --> 01:03:47,690
see is the reason

1123
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:49,579
and Tim you could that you could answer

1124
01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:52,130
this as well of course what is the

1125
01:03:57,940 --> 01:03:55,369
reason that the aliens I use that the

1126
01:04:02,490 --> 01:03:57,950
term of course altered terrestrial will

1127
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:02,500
present these hybrid or offsprings and

1128
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:06,049
sometimes ask you know the the

1129
01:04:15,460 --> 01:04:10,480
individual that's helped in this

1130
01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:15,470
creation experience to hold it I mean as

1131
01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:17,630
if it's getting an emotional charge or

1132
01:04:25,059 --> 01:04:20,809
are they trying to see what the the what

1133
01:04:29,170 --> 01:04:25,069
reaction the humans will have or or or

1134
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:29,180
what do you think is behind that well

1135
01:04:34,420 --> 01:04:31,609
you hear the explanation sometimes that

1136
01:04:36,849 --> 01:04:34,430
the ETS have come here because their

1137
01:04:40,059 --> 01:04:36,859
race is dying so you know that's one of

1138
01:04:45,370 --> 01:04:40,069
the explanations of you know why they're

1139
01:04:51,130 --> 01:04:45,380
having sex with humans to produce these

1140
01:04:53,519 --> 01:04:51,140
you know alien human babies and who

1141
01:04:56,620 --> 01:04:53,529
knows maybe there's some type of

1142
01:05:00,970 --> 01:04:56,630
emotional connection they feel that

1143
01:05:05,740 --> 01:05:00,980
needs to be made you know between you

1144
01:05:09,660 --> 01:05:05,750
know paying a return visit to you know

1145
01:05:11,620 --> 01:05:09,670
the person who planted the seed

1146
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:11,630
attempted would you go along with that

1147
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:16,910
or well that's one idea yeah well

1148
01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:19,039
something that something that David had

1149
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:23,510
said earlier when the the the woman

1150
01:05:27,849 --> 01:05:25,250
appeared to him and told him if the baby

1151
01:05:30,279 --> 01:05:27,859
was dying and he saw her holding the

1152
01:05:34,359 --> 01:05:30,289
baby and he said that she wasn't holding

1153
01:05:40,420 --> 01:05:34,369
it right so you know I'm just it makes

1154
01:05:45,660 --> 01:05:40,430
me it makes me wonder what is it that I

1155
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:45,670
mean it's it's it's hard for me to tell

1156
01:05:57,950 --> 01:05:51,970
to try to to try to verbalize this but

1157
01:06:01,040 --> 01:05:57,960
if these humanoids have not

1158
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:01,050
had this kind of experience before you

1159
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:05,730
know I mean who are they are they not

1160
01:06:12,770 --> 01:06:08,010
having children at all I mean you know

1161
01:06:16,370 --> 01:06:12,780
here you have a female that is obviously

1162
01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:16,380
an adult old enough to have a child yet

1163
01:06:24,829 --> 01:06:20,070
the whole idea of properly taken care of

1164
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:24,839
and nurturing a baby is alien to them so

1165
01:06:32,210 --> 01:06:28,970
there must be something going on that

1166
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:32,220
we're not being privy to and and it's

1167
01:06:38,329 --> 01:06:34,650
almost like you know because you

1168
01:06:40,970 --> 01:06:38,339
mentioned the insect types of creatures

1169
01:06:43,550 --> 01:06:40,980
that really seem to be kind of like the

1170
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:43,560
brains of the outfit so to speak

1171
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:47,520
and that everybody else is doing what

1172
01:06:55,370 --> 01:06:51,089
what they say so I mean are we talking

1173
01:07:00,410 --> 01:06:55,380
about you know a species that is

1174
01:07:02,359 --> 01:07:00,420
actually controlling everybody else but

1175
01:07:04,190 --> 01:07:02,369
makes it look like that you know that

1176
01:07:05,839 --> 01:07:04,200
the humanoids you know are in the

1177
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:05,849
control and again we've seen this you

1178
01:07:12,140 --> 01:07:08,010
know before in other scenarios well you

1179
01:07:15,260 --> 01:07:12,150
know it's it's interesting that in like

1180
01:07:18,050 --> 01:07:15,270
in David's case he sees this I don't

1181
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:18,060
know if you would say a positive light

1182
01:07:24,730 --> 01:07:21,770
but he sees it as a benign experience

1183
01:07:28,550 --> 01:07:24,740
some of the individuals under hypnosis

1184
01:07:34,970 --> 01:07:28,560
that Budd Hopkins for example work with

1185
01:07:39,140 --> 01:07:34,980
and Carla Turner a talk of this as a as

1186
01:07:44,410 --> 01:07:39,150
a rape experience and of course Whitley

1187
01:07:48,190 --> 01:07:44,420
had a rather I guess challenging

1188
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:48,200
experience with the some of his

1189
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:52,290
contracts I mean we all know the the

1190
01:07:58,520 --> 01:07:53,599
jokes that have been made over the years

1191
01:08:05,470 --> 01:07:58,530
about the anal probes and and so forth I

1192
01:08:11,580 --> 01:08:05,480
mean why this duality I hear of both a

1193
01:08:14,370 --> 01:08:11,590
positive symbolic relationship and

1194
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:14,380
and in something that is on the the

1195
01:08:20,849 --> 01:08:18,880
fringes of being horrific I don't know

1196
01:08:23,940 --> 01:08:20,859
let's let's let's ask David because I'm

1197
01:08:26,099 --> 01:08:23,950
curious David you know about I mean do

1198
01:08:29,460 --> 01:08:26,109
you think that the the you know the

1199
01:08:31,559 --> 01:08:29,470
Manas type of creature was controlling

1200
01:08:34,860 --> 01:08:31,569
the scenarios that you were experiencing

1201
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:34,870
I feel that he was controlling my

1202
01:08:41,820 --> 01:08:36,850
emotions mm-hmm

1203
01:08:45,180 --> 01:08:41,830
you know I mean if how can I put it was

1204
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:45,190
like all my emotions are all my senses

1205
01:08:53,370 --> 01:08:50,080
were subdued so it was easier for me to

1206
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:53,380
be around them I mean if they had left

1207
01:09:01,380 --> 01:08:57,040
me the way well I am now I would

1208
01:09:04,829 --> 01:09:01,390
probably freak out so now do you think

1209
01:09:08,010 --> 01:09:04,839
that say the the woman that you had

1210
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:08,020
relationships were do you think that she

1211
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:12,489
was also under control by this mantis no

1212
01:09:21,059 --> 01:09:16,810
no I don't mm-hmm and why why do what do

1213
01:09:23,849 --> 01:09:21,069
you think that well I think she has a

1214
01:09:27,229 --> 01:09:23,859
certain amount of free will right she

1215
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:27,239
didn't have to go to bed with me and

1216
01:09:35,340 --> 01:09:30,400
anyway let me see how can I put it oh

1217
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:35,350
yeah let me go back where I had found

1218
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:39,970
out about the flowers anyway after I had

1219
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:43,330
left school I rushed home cleaned up the

1220
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:47,850
apartment change my clothes three times

1221
01:09:56,670 --> 01:09:51,250
first time I was in a suit and tie the

1222
01:10:01,920 --> 01:09:56,680
second time it was just basically blue

1223
01:10:04,140 --> 01:10:01,930
jeans or shirt the third time it was

1224
01:10:06,830 --> 01:10:04,150
getting free later so I just took off

1225
01:10:11,729 --> 01:10:06,840
all my clothes and I laid down in bed

1226
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:11,739
and what was interesting is that I'm

1227
01:10:19,140 --> 01:10:15,520
looking around and I notice a spot on

1228
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:19,150
the far wall it

1229
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:21,690
opens up to about maybe six inches and

1230
01:10:30,570 --> 01:10:26,250
then I feel very calm and very relaxed

1231
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:30,580
but something else was occurring there

1232
01:10:38,850 --> 01:10:34,719
was no sound it was like I was in a

1233
01:10:42,110 --> 01:10:38,860
bubble there were no street sounds no

1234
01:10:45,689 --> 01:10:42,120
honking of horns nothing

1235
01:10:52,649 --> 01:10:45,699
anyway she comes over to me and she gets

1236
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:52,659
on top of me and we have sex and that

1237
01:10:59,370 --> 01:10:55,110
was basically it

1238
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,380
and she you could I mean could you tell

1239
01:11:03,660 --> 01:11:01,840
that that she was enjoying this as well

1240
01:11:08,220 --> 01:11:03,670
I mean not just of course physically but

1241
01:11:10,770 --> 01:11:08,230
you know emotionally as well later I

1242
01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:10,780
think that happened mm-hmm there was an

1243
01:11:16,860 --> 01:11:13,030
instant where she was seems to be

1244
01:11:18,030 --> 01:11:16,870
enjoying being with me and then she laid

1245
01:11:22,010 --> 01:11:18,040
down on top of me

1246
01:11:24,510 --> 01:11:22,020
and I felt very claustrophobic all right

1247
01:11:27,090 --> 01:11:24,520
let me let me hold you there because we

1248
01:11:29,700 --> 01:11:27,100
have to go to our next break and we'll

1249
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:29,710
continue a David story when we were back

1250
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:31,970
for exploit bizarre

1251
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:44,940
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1252
01:11:50,820 --> 01:11:47,530
two of the most electrifying researchers

1253
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:50,830
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becky

1254
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:55,360
Lee panting sloths alright welcome back

1255
01:12:00,780 --> 01:11:57,520
to exploring the bizarre and Swartz

1256
01:12:04,110 --> 01:12:00,790
tonight our guests Dan Huggins and Adam

1257
01:12:06,060 --> 01:12:04,120
go rightly and David I just I got a text

1258
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:06,070
from a friend who's listening in on the

1259
01:12:12,990 --> 01:12:08,610
program and she wanted me to ask you

1260
01:12:15,210 --> 01:12:13,000
when it when and and of course you know

1261
01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:15,220
you have to base this you know on what

1262
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:19,980
you can remember when you were having

1263
01:12:30,300 --> 01:12:26,080
sex with this this woman did she respond

1264
01:12:32,490 --> 01:12:30,310
like a human woman would would respond I

1265
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:32,500
mean just you know like the the whole a

1266
01:12:38,850 --> 01:12:36,060
a physical you know aspect

1267
01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:38,860
not at first mmm-hmm

1268
01:12:45,480 --> 01:12:43,030
but it was a gradual thing and then I

1269
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:45,490
came to a time where she really enjoyed

1270
01:12:54,330 --> 01:12:51,370
being with me and I remember after we

1271
01:12:57,650 --> 01:12:54,340
had finished she had laid down on to me

1272
01:13:00,900 --> 01:12:57,660
and well I felt wrong rather

1273
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:00,910
claustrophobic and then there was this

1274
01:13:10,380 --> 01:13:04,330
purring sound which was very nice and I

1275
01:13:13,770 --> 01:13:10,390
relaxed but it was quite nice so for her

1276
01:13:16,350 --> 01:13:13,780
it was almost she would I suppose really

1277
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:16,360
like anybody she she had to learn

1278
01:13:23,940 --> 01:13:20,080
herself how to relax and enjoy yourself

1279
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:23,950
you know you have a point I feel you're

1280
01:13:29,610 --> 01:13:24,850
right there

1281
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:29,620
I mean when it began with me I felt it

1282
01:13:36,930 --> 01:13:32,530
was very super special and very

1283
01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:36,940
sterilized but as it as it went on and

1284
01:13:45,300 --> 01:13:40,600
on and on there was something else and

1285
01:13:47,130 --> 01:13:45,310
she just enjoyed being with me and well

1286
01:13:47,849 --> 01:13:47,140
and that's why I had asked her you know

1287
01:13:51,239 --> 01:13:47,859
earlier

1288
01:13:53,699 --> 01:13:51,249
if you think that this was you know I

1289
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:53,709
mean like your first experiences with

1290
01:13:59,459 --> 01:13:56,530
her I mean it's very clinical like I

1291
01:14:03,119 --> 01:13:59,469
mean this this was her task you know she

1292
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:03,129
she had to do this and to get to get

1293
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:06,010
pregnant or whatever and then eventually

1294
01:14:09,569 --> 01:14:08,530
I mean it wasn't so much even though she

1295
01:14:12,029 --> 01:14:09,579
still had to do it

1296
01:14:14,909 --> 01:14:12,039
it wasn't clinical anymore she was

1297
01:14:17,359 --> 01:14:14,919
actually enjoying herself yes you have a

1298
01:14:21,979 --> 01:14:17,369
quite right you have it quite right I

1299
01:14:29,339 --> 01:14:21,989
mean there was a very very nice time

1300
01:14:32,339 --> 01:14:29,349
there was one time where well I was

1301
01:14:34,109 --> 01:14:32,349
going to try to teach her to dance you

1302
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:34,119
know like a waltz you know like the

1303
01:14:43,409 --> 01:14:38,010
one-two step when I found out is that

1304
01:14:47,579 --> 01:14:43,419
her feet will never left the ground but

1305
01:14:50,099 --> 01:14:47,589
she seemed to enjoy it and anyway we

1306
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:50,109
round up we wound up near the opening

1307
01:14:57,209 --> 01:14:53,679
and I'm looking at it she doesn't say

1308
01:15:01,589 --> 01:14:57,219
anything but it was entirely up to me if

1309
01:15:05,579 --> 01:15:01,599
I wanted to go inside or not anyway I

1310
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:05,589
went inside and it was very bright it

1311
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:08,409
wasn't into the next building it was

1312
01:15:12,029 --> 01:15:11,530
someplace else I have know how they do

1313
01:15:15,810 --> 01:15:12,039
it

1314
01:15:22,919 --> 01:15:15,820
I have no idea but that was someplace

1315
01:15:26,969 --> 01:15:22,929
else now did they did they ever did they

1316
01:15:30,299 --> 01:15:26,979
ever mention okay here well a woman

1317
01:15:33,179 --> 01:15:30,309
gives birth after nine months of being a

1318
01:15:36,419 --> 01:15:33,189
pregnant is it the same length of time

1319
01:15:39,449 --> 01:15:36,429
there I mean how how does the pregnancy

1320
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:39,459
differ from what it would be here on

1321
01:15:47,250 --> 01:15:43,449
earth well I I can't really say about

1322
01:15:50,969 --> 01:15:47,260
that but I do remember seeing a baby in

1323
01:15:56,219 --> 01:15:50,979
like a tube a plastic you Brooke

1324
01:16:01,079 --> 01:15:56,229
whatever filled with liquid and that's

1325
01:16:03,169 --> 01:16:01,089
all I can tell you I just don't know but

1326
01:16:07,229 --> 01:16:03,179
there was an interesting experience

1327
01:16:09,059 --> 01:16:07,239
where I am with the woman and there were

1328
01:16:13,649 --> 01:16:09,069
several other women there who are

1329
01:16:18,929 --> 01:16:13,659
holding babies anyway the woman takes

1330
01:16:25,139 --> 01:16:18,939
out her breast and I for some reason I

1331
01:16:30,089 --> 01:16:25,149
know that she cannot give milk anyway I

1332
01:16:32,969 --> 01:16:30,099
tried to stimulate her breast by nursing

1333
01:16:36,839 --> 01:16:32,979
on it but it didn't happened I just

1334
01:16:41,849 --> 01:16:36,849
couldn't understand it anyway someone

1335
01:16:45,329 --> 01:16:41,859
comes over with a bowl of I have no idea

1336
01:16:48,929 --> 01:16:45,339
some type of food and they press it on

1337
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:48,939
her breast and I'm looking at and

1338
01:16:57,509 --> 01:16:53,280
someone presses my head and anyway I

1339
01:17:00,270 --> 01:16:57,519
starting on her breast but I was at

1340
01:17:04,319 --> 01:17:00,280
nursing home the breast as someone who

1341
01:17:05,250 --> 01:17:04,329
is in his early 20s it was more like a

1342
01:17:10,739 --> 01:17:05,260
baby

1343
01:17:14,980 --> 01:17:10,749
it was pure instinct anyway after I had

1344
01:17:18,010 --> 01:17:14,990
done that someone

1345
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:18,020
broke one of the babies over and they

1346
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:21,170
applied the the food whatever it is and

1347
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:26,330
the baby began nursing so anyway that

1348
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:29,810
was it it's like all the babies there

1349
01:17:44,650 --> 01:17:39,640
now what would you say that they're an

1350
01:17:49,710 --> 01:17:44,660
the anatomy of the space woman is a

1351
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:49,720
hundred percent similar to what an earth

1352
01:17:59,410 --> 01:17:55,600
woman's body anatomy would consist of I

1353
01:18:05,640 --> 01:17:59,420
would think so I'm not sure about that I

1354
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:05,650
mean she is different from human women

1355
01:18:14,460 --> 01:18:10,090
it's possible I just don't know

1356
01:18:19,420 --> 01:18:14,470
well what how would they be different

1357
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:19,430
well there was an incident where I am

1358
01:18:26,970 --> 01:18:22,370
with the women and this woman she has

1359
01:18:30,220 --> 01:18:26,980
this wig on her head I think it's a wig

1360
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:30,230
anyway she takes it off and she's

1361
01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:33,170
bald-headed I was quite taken aback by

1362
01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:35,110
that

1363
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:38,450
so III really don't know what to tell

1364
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:41,810
you in regard to that except the women

1365
01:18:51,790 --> 01:18:46,370
seem to be women that's all I can tell

1366
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:51,800
you did anybody ever explain to you just

1367
01:18:54,850 --> 01:18:53,210
exactly you know what they were doing

1368
01:18:58,050 --> 01:18:54,860
you know like you know we've got you

1369
01:19:03,490 --> 01:18:58,060
here because we're you know creating a

1370
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:03,500
hybrid race or or whatever you know they

1371
01:19:09,100 --> 01:19:06,530
never did explain that to me it's like

1372
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:09,110
when I'm in there when I'm there I'm

1373
01:19:15,250 --> 01:19:13,730
there for a reason and it was like being

1374
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:15,260
with the women and you know it's

1375
01:19:19,710 --> 01:19:18,080
teaching the babies how to nurse I was

1376
01:19:26,620 --> 01:19:19,720
there for a reason

1377
01:19:28,810 --> 01:19:26,630
how long do these sexual encounters last

1378
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:28,820
are we we talking about

1379
01:19:41,020 --> 01:19:35,090
prolonged the sex or quickies I'm not

1380
01:19:43,630 --> 01:19:41,030
sure I don't know there I'm thinking sir

1381
01:19:45,490 --> 01:19:43,640
there are times when it's quick in their

1382
01:19:51,130 --> 01:19:45,500
other chance for that's quite nice quite

1383
01:19:54,700 --> 01:19:51,140
long uh-huh well III don't know I I

1384
01:19:57,190 --> 01:19:54,710
would I would think it doesn't I mean

1385
01:20:00,430 --> 01:19:57,200
okay you're having sex with this the

1386
01:20:02,410 --> 01:20:00,440
this guy it is there more than one woman

1387
01:20:04,210 --> 01:20:02,420
that you've had a lien woman that you've

1388
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:04,220
had sex with I know you you talk about

1389
01:20:10,630 --> 01:20:07,370
the Crescent but are there others

1390
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:10,640
maybe she's passed the word there have

1391
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:12,770
been a couple that I know of

1392
01:20:21,670 --> 01:20:17,810
yeah there was an incident where I don't

1393
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:21,680
know how to explain it really but I

1394
01:20:27,370 --> 01:20:24,400
remember waking up one morning and my

1395
01:20:31,230 --> 01:20:27,380
pillow is covered with Twitter with

1396
01:20:36,220 --> 01:20:31,240
quitter what tears and I have no idea

1397
01:20:42,670 --> 01:20:36,230
and then one night I'm with these things

1398
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:42,680
and I just get very very sad and I have

1399
01:20:50,170 --> 01:20:47,810
no idea why but I kept hearing these

1400
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:50,180
words everything is fine everything is

1401
01:20:54,510 --> 01:20:52,010
alright everything is fine and

1402
01:20:57,900 --> 01:20:54,520
everything is alright

1403
01:21:01,420 --> 01:20:57,910
anyway I'll lay down them up it and

1404
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:01,430
that's all my left arm over my eyes and

1405
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:07,730
I just started crying and and I feel

1406
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:09,770
like I'm floating

1407
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:15,920
and suddenly I jump up a neck starts

1408
01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:19,850
going no no no no no oh my god no no no

1409
01:21:31,870 --> 01:21:28,070
no no I am totally going berserk anyway

1410
01:21:35,890 --> 01:21:31,880
these two very large women grab ahold of

1411
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:35,900
me and forced me to the floor and I'm

1412
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:39,770
crying and I just that was just feeling

1413
01:21:45,730 --> 01:21:43,370
very terrible anyway Crescent comes in

1414
01:21:50,830 --> 01:21:45,740
it's just David what is the matter

1415
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:50,840
and I say my baby died I was holding it

1416
01:21:55,450 --> 01:21:52,880
and then for some reason I got scared

1417
01:21:59,520 --> 01:21:55,460
and I pushed it away and I fell down

1418
01:22:03,730 --> 01:21:59,530
it's all my fault it's all my fault

1419
01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:03,740
anyways she stands up she's looking at

1420
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:08,030
the insect being and so she bends back

1421
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:11,510
down says David your baby didn't die see

1422
01:22:19,420 --> 01:22:15,050
here's your baby and another woman comes

1423
01:22:23,470 --> 01:22:19,430
in through an opening I get up the two

1424
01:22:25,420 --> 01:22:23,480
very large women follow me and they go

1425
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:25,430
over and I kissed the baby on his

1426
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:29,170
forehead and I feel so much better

1427
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:33,440
anyway there are a few of the women who

1428
01:22:40,090 --> 01:22:36,170
were there answers she goes over to the

1429
01:22:43,210 --> 01:22:40,100
insect being says can't David stay yes

1430
01:22:48,570 --> 01:22:43,220
we would like for him to stay and he

1431
01:22:52,690 --> 01:22:48,580
says no David has to go back anyway

1432
01:22:55,810 --> 01:22:52,700
just as he said that the two large women

1433
01:22:59,470 --> 01:22:55,820
take a look at me even they turned and

1434
01:23:03,490 --> 01:22:59,480
they walk away now when you say large

1435
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:03,500
are we talking about the chub bets here

1436
01:23:09,810 --> 01:23:05,810
or are we talking about large in the

1437
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:09,820
sense of height that stature a stature

1438
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:14,090
yeah they were very large and anyway

1439
01:23:20,850 --> 01:23:16,250
they had taken it one look last look at

1440
01:23:22,770 --> 01:23:20,860
me and then they turned and left

1441
01:23:24,990 --> 01:23:22,780
I don't know I just felt kind of rather

1442
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:25,000
I don't know what it was I just felt

1443
01:23:32,220 --> 01:23:27,970
kind of guilty and I remember saying

1444
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:32,230
excuse me ladies they turned around and

1445
01:23:39,150 --> 01:23:34,210
I can only say they took like a

1446
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:39,160
defensive stance and I say I feel I owe

1447
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:39,570
you

1448
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:45,280
it's better special apology I'm so sorry

1449
01:23:53,340 --> 01:23:48,400
about what you had to do because of my

1450
01:23:56,810 --> 01:23:53,350
behavior if there's anything I can do to

1451
01:23:58,830 --> 01:23:56,820
help make for it all you need do is ask

1452
01:24:03,320 --> 01:23:58,840
and that was it

1453
01:24:08,250 --> 01:24:03,330
you know I I agree we've we've asked you

1454
01:24:13,380 --> 01:24:08,260
have have you been married not at that

1455
01:24:15,930 --> 01:24:13,390
time no no I was gonna say now when you

1456
01:24:17,370 --> 01:24:15,940
were having these experiences and you

1457
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:17,380
were married or were having a

1458
01:24:22,380 --> 01:24:20,320
relationship with a an earth person I

1459
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:22,390
mean what would they have thought about

1460
01:24:30,750 --> 01:24:27,570
this Oh God

1461
01:24:32,370 --> 01:24:30,760
what can I tell you that's something

1462
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:32,380
wrong with you you know you'd you're

1463
01:24:39,570 --> 01:24:37,570
crazy or whatever yeah I I don't know

1464
01:24:45,230 --> 01:24:39,580
who I could tell you about that I mean

1465
01:24:50,030 --> 01:24:45,240
I've had a lot of problems with that and

1466
01:24:53,700 --> 01:24:50,040
well I I guess that could be a a

1467
01:24:56,220 --> 01:24:53,710
situation there I you know I Tim and

1468
01:24:59,880 --> 01:24:56,230
Adam have you heard that you know who

1469
01:25:05,490 --> 01:24:59,890
Bill chocker is the researcher over

1470
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:05,500
there in Australia yes okay well he did

1471
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:08,290
know he did a book and I may have the

1472
01:25:14,910 --> 01:25:10,210
title wrong but I believe it's called

1473
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:14,920
hair of the alien does that ring a bell

1474
01:25:19,140 --> 01:25:17,650
that or alien DNA I can't remember

1475
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:19,150
exactly but yeah you're pretty close to

1476
01:25:24,660 --> 01:25:21,760
that yeah yeah hair the alien well now

1477
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:24,670
apparently there is an individual over

1478
01:25:32,300 --> 01:25:26,730
there and I don't know what his name is

1479
01:25:35,390 --> 01:25:32,310
who has been having or had at least one

1480
01:25:39,540 --> 01:25:35,400
experience with a

1481
01:25:44,940 --> 01:25:39,550
space-alien and i believed there were

1482
01:25:52,110 --> 01:25:44,950
some hairs left on him right from the

1483
01:25:57,390 --> 01:25:52,120
space a woman and they sent the hair

1484
01:26:02,220 --> 01:25:57,400
away for analysis do you know what might

1485
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:02,230
have been the outcome of that I have no

1486
01:26:05,900 --> 01:26:03,010
idea

1487
01:26:10,050 --> 01:26:05,910
that's first I've heard of it yeah Tim

1488
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:10,060
this it the individual actually he had

1489
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:13,600
he had one experience where he had after

1490
01:26:17,190 --> 01:26:15,370
he had taken his wife to work he lay

1491
01:26:19,290 --> 01:26:17,200
back down and taken to take a nap in the

1492
01:26:23,220 --> 01:26:19,300
morning and when he woke up there were

1493
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:23,230
two women at the foot of his bed one of

1494
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:24,960
them looked kind of like the the

1495
01:26:29,940 --> 01:26:27,280
traditional Nordic she had like

1496
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:29,950
extremely you know white skin and white

1497
01:26:37,140 --> 01:26:34,530
blond hair and the other had somewhat

1498
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:37,150
Asian featured but she looked an awful

1499
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:41,850
lot like the the type woman that David

1500
01:26:49,500 --> 01:26:46,090
was talking about and after the after

1501
01:26:52,620 --> 01:26:49,510
the experience when he got up later he

1502
01:26:54,570 --> 01:26:52,630
found a like a single here hair that had

1503
01:27:01,500 --> 01:26:54,580
been wrapped rather painfully around his

1504
01:27:04,530 --> 01:27:01,510
his junk and yeah and he was he was

1505
01:27:06,990 --> 01:27:04,540
smart enough actually to when he quit he

1506
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:07,000
was able to get it off to put it in a

1507
01:27:17,330 --> 01:27:11,770
plastic bag and and and bill had the DNA

1508
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:17,340
analyzed and the hair actually was of a

1509
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:22,890
very distinctive Asian subgroup that

1510
01:27:27,180 --> 01:27:24,010
correct

1511
01:27:31,620 --> 01:27:27,190
yeah but there was also an extremely

1512
01:27:36,740 --> 01:27:31,630
unusual genetic counterpart to that that

1513
01:27:42,270 --> 01:27:36,750
seemed to be of like a like Swedish or

1514
01:27:46,049 --> 01:27:42,280
some kind of you know of ancestry but

1515
01:27:49,409 --> 01:27:46,059
the the Asian aspect of it was of a

1516
01:27:51,540 --> 01:27:49,419
subgroup that is was extremely rare I

1517
01:27:53,969 --> 01:27:51,550
mean you know really just I guess

1518
01:27:58,559 --> 01:27:53,979
there's just a very small population

1519
01:28:01,919 --> 01:27:58,569
that exists nowadays from that so how he

1520
01:28:04,290 --> 01:28:01,929
managed to get that will get that hair

1521
01:28:07,290 --> 01:28:04,300
it's it's still you know very up in the

1522
01:28:12,089 --> 01:28:07,300
air and just a very weird case literally

1523
01:28:19,049 --> 01:28:12,099
up in the air hair guess well that

1524
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:19,059
that's an interesting case and well day

1525
01:28:24,119 --> 01:28:22,239
David have you ever had any physical

1526
01:28:27,959 --> 01:28:24,129
evidence I mean can you grab something

1527
01:28:35,089 --> 01:28:27,969
from their world and bring it back no I

1528
01:28:40,349 --> 01:28:38,459
no I was just going to ask David you

1529
01:28:43,649 --> 01:28:40,359
know when did when did he decide to

1530
01:28:45,209 --> 01:28:43,659
start painting his experiences because I

1531
01:28:47,279 --> 01:28:45,219
mean you know that's you know that's the

1532
01:28:48,959 --> 01:28:47,289
very visual aspect of this whole story

1533
01:28:53,579 --> 01:28:48,969
or these absolutely wonderful paintings

1534
01:28:57,899 --> 01:28:53,589
that he's done well after I had read the

1535
01:29:00,899 --> 01:28:57,909
book intruders there was one night where

1536
01:29:03,599 --> 01:29:00,909
I am with the beings and one of the

1537
01:29:05,790 --> 01:29:03,609
beings says let David do paintings

1538
01:29:07,849 --> 01:29:05,800
that's as well I can do that and that's

1539
01:29:10,799 --> 01:29:07,859
how it began

1540
01:29:14,819 --> 01:29:10,809
what was interesting is it took me about

1541
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:14,829
maybe 2 to 3 weeks before I had the

1542
01:29:21,719 --> 01:29:19,050
courage to do my first painting you have

1543
01:29:26,819 --> 01:29:21,729
no idea what I was going through during

1544
01:29:30,809 --> 01:29:26,829
that time anyway I started my first

1545
01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:30,819
painting I worked on it from no I would

1546
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:34,169
say mid-afternoon until late that night

1547
01:29:41,729 --> 01:29:38,530
and I went to sleep and now man that I

1548
01:29:45,449 --> 01:29:41,739
have such a wonderful sleep it's like I

1549
01:29:52,050 --> 01:29:45,459
was facing what I was what had happened

1550
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:52,060
to me and

1551
01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:54,530
okay and this is the first time that

1552
01:30:03,420 --> 01:29:57,890
you've ever gone through that the sort

1553
01:30:07,030 --> 01:30:03,430
of emotion yes it was like a catharsis I

1554
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:07,040
was allowing me to see what had happened

1555
01:30:16,990 --> 01:30:11,410
in my life and try to get it in order

1556
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:17,000
now are these experiences continuing or

1557
01:30:24,670 --> 01:30:21,410
did I hear somewhere along the line

1558
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:24,680
perhaps from our mutual friend Carla

1559
01:30:33,910 --> 01:30:29,290
that the the relationship has been

1560
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:33,920
permanently halted no it's not

1561
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:37,280
permanently hearted it's just I mean I

1562
01:30:43,620 --> 01:30:39,890
saw Crescent about maybe five or six

1563
01:30:50,140 --> 01:30:43,630
months ago so it's still going on

1564
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:50,150
it is okay and we're I mean it is there

1565
01:30:56,140 --> 01:30:52,250
I don't know how to put this but is

1566
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:56,150
there an outcome to this I mean is there

1567
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:00,080
a master is there a master plan I mean

1568
01:31:07,690 --> 01:31:03,850
are the the hybrids going to rise up

1569
01:31:09,340 --> 01:31:07,700
against us at some point or do the

1570
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:09,350
children do the children do they look

1571
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:14,210
like our children yes as a matter of

1572
01:31:19,690 --> 01:31:16,489
fact they do you can watch these

1573
01:31:22,510 --> 01:31:19,700
children Google walk across the sidewalk

1574
01:31:25,450 --> 01:31:22,520
and you couldn't tell them the

1575
01:31:30,930 --> 01:31:25,460
difference between being a human or a

1576
01:31:37,630 --> 01:31:30,940
hybrid and how about as far is the

1577
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:37,640
master plan I know nothing about master

1578
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:42,770
plans I I just don't know I feel that

1579
01:31:48,790 --> 01:31:45,280
they are interested and they are

1580
01:31:52,209 --> 01:31:48,800
beneficial in some way hmm

1581
01:31:56,590 --> 01:31:52,219
but it's up to us to figure it what is

1582
01:31:59,350 --> 01:31:56,600
out figure what it is all right well we

1583
01:32:02,950 --> 01:31:59,360
are we are closing up on the midnight

1584
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:02,960
hour here in New York and I do want to

1585
01:32:07,390 --> 01:32:05,330
go around the table

1586
01:32:10,420 --> 01:32:07,400
the round table literally since we're

1587
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:10,430
inside a saucer here Adam can you tell

1588
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:12,890
us a little bit about how your a book on

1589
01:32:21,610 --> 01:32:17,840
the contact these are is progressing I'm

1590
01:32:24,010 --> 01:32:21,620
you know it's almost done at last all

1591
01:32:27,190 --> 01:32:24,020
the write all the writing is done all

1592
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:27,200
the collected all the photos the cover

1593
01:32:31,900 --> 01:32:29,690
is done right now it's in the hands of

1594
01:32:36,780 --> 01:32:31,910
the person doing the layout for the book

1595
01:32:39,190 --> 01:32:36,790
so perhaps in another month or so just

1596
01:32:41,620 --> 01:32:39,200
passed it off to the guy do in the

1597
01:32:44,170 --> 01:32:41,630
layout about a week ago so it'll take

1598
01:32:48,190 --> 01:32:44,180
some time it's there's a lot of moving

1599
01:32:52,330 --> 01:32:48,200
parts a lot of photos and fitting all

1600
01:32:55,090 --> 01:32:52,340
into the text I think I you know what I

1601
01:32:56,950 --> 01:32:55,100
saw for the first time we had a help me

1602
01:32:58,570 --> 01:32:56,960
out here Tim we we had a fellow out of

1603
01:33:03,550 --> 01:32:58,580
the show who wrote the book about the

1604
01:33:07,660 --> 01:33:03,560
Venus yes yeah yeah yeah there's a

1605
01:33:10,690 --> 01:33:07,670
killer yeah okay and and I had seen some

1606
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:10,700
photographs I sent me some there is

1607
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:12,560
actually a photograph and I don't know

1608
01:33:16,090 --> 01:33:13,970
if you're using this in the book or not

1609
01:33:19,630 --> 01:33:16,100
but it's the first time I had seen it

1610
01:33:23,140 --> 01:33:19,640
along John Neville the yeah the late

1611
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:23,150
talk show host who certainly promoted

1612
01:33:29,530 --> 01:33:25,760
the the contactees more than anybody

1613
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:29,540
else is speaking with a rather

1614
01:33:36,940 --> 01:33:34,610
attractive middle-aged or younger woman

1615
01:33:41,620 --> 01:33:36,950
who is identified in the caption as aura

1616
01:33:44,260 --> 01:33:41,630
reigns oh I would like to see that no

1617
01:33:46,990 --> 01:33:44,270
yeah yeah yeah well I I think if I could

1618
01:33:49,900 --> 01:33:47,000
if I can find it I will pass it on to

1619
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:49,910
you and I you know I looked at the the

1620
01:33:55,180 --> 01:33:52,370
photograph and I haven't met or

1621
01:33:58,420 --> 01:33:55,190
arrangement personally but there yeah

1622
01:33:59,890 --> 01:33:58,430
Carolyn who who is my assistant here of

1623
01:34:03,790 --> 01:33:59,900
course she has done a rather colorful

1624
01:34:06,610 --> 01:34:03,800
painting of aura reins and she said her

1625
01:34:10,570 --> 01:34:06,620
her psychic inspiration was is that it

1626
01:34:12,730 --> 01:34:10,580
it might indeed be or arrays you know

1627
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:12,740
your something stranger yeah there's

1628
01:34:19,060 --> 01:34:14,330
something strange about some of these

1629
01:34:22,419 --> 01:34:19,070
people who showed up at a sorcerer

1630
01:34:24,580 --> 01:34:22,429
we'll say conventions Oh valiant Thor

1631
01:34:28,930 --> 01:34:24,590
well I was just thinking I was just

1632
01:34:33,669 --> 01:34:28,940
thinking of a valiant Thor they all look

1633
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:33,679
like soap opera stars I don't know what

1634
01:34:38,859 --> 01:34:36,050
what it is but it's like the chiseled

1635
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:38,869
the chin and the and the style and and

1636
01:34:45,310 --> 01:34:42,650
and all of that anyway yeah yeah yeah

1637
01:34:47,890 --> 01:34:45,320
adamant anyway what else can people look

1638
01:34:50,169 --> 01:34:47,900
forward to and how do they find you well

1639
01:34:51,970 --> 01:34:50,179
we've only got a minute left here Tim

1640
01:34:56,109 --> 01:34:51,980
maybe you should let our audience know

1641
01:34:58,089 --> 01:34:56,119
where they could go to and see David's

1642
01:35:01,870 --> 01:34:58,099
paintings their new jersey oh okay well

1643
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:01,880
in Jersey City balance which is a hair

1644
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:07,010
as salon and spaceship of a portal and

1645
01:35:12,669 --> 01:35:09,290
one of the most colorful places you'll

1646
01:35:16,510 --> 01:35:12,679
ever go to and say hello to Karla

1647
01:35:19,689 --> 01:35:16,520
while you're there and David of course

1648
01:35:21,850 --> 01:35:19,699
can be found of the movie is out you

1649
01:35:23,379 --> 01:35:21,860
could find that on the internet and

1650
01:35:30,959 --> 01:35:23,389
don't forget to go to our YouTube

1651
01:35:37,380 --> 01:35:33,390
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1652
01:35:40,620 --> 01:35:37,390
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01:35:42,959 --> 01:35:40,630
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1654
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1655
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1656
01:35:51,780 --> 01:35:48,580
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01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:06,010
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